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Lawrence Goldstone's avatar

Wow, David, are you wrong. Have you forgotten the atrocities that Russia perpetrated on the areas they occupied, even briefly? The rapes, the murders, the kidnapping of children? Are you wishing that on the rest of the country? Should we have allowed Hitler to keep Poland, Czechoslovakia...and France...because continuing the war would have resulted in horrific bloodshed? It is not and was not our decision whether Ukraine keeps fighting. It is theirs. Always was. Our decision is simply whether or not we choose to help the weak fight the strong, the victim defend itself against the aggressor. We made the decision to help rather than turn our backs. Ukraine is fighting not only for its life, but also for its national honor. I'm glad we did soil ours and lament that we may do so now.

Simon Wasserberger's avatar

Agree there was never a path to victory. But the goal of our involvement in Ukraine always seemed pretty clear to me: discourage or forestall Putin’s pledge to reconstitute the Russian Empire. The trouble with the “provocation” argument is that it deprives threatened countries of their own agency, and overstates America’s centrality. We did not set out to expand NATO. Countries begged to join out of legitimate fear, no?

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